Sounds like you'll need to be looking up market, you're not really looking for a soho router at the point where you've got multiple external providers. This device and it's ilk represted the ipv6 functionality availble in a circa mid to late 2009 home router with a retail price of $100-$150. They are pretty good devices. If you're comparing them to a sonic wall tz you're not really comparing the same class of device. by your own admission the later is inadequate so I'm not sure why you'd even bring it up. joel On 06/06/2010 11:39 AM, Ned Freed wrote: > Alternate email client usage fail. My apologies. > > Ned > >> (offlist) > >> > On 2010-06-02 07:36, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: >> > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Ned Freed<ned.freed@xxxxxxxxxxx> >> wrote: >> > > >> > >> As I've stated previously, I believe the main piece that's >> missing is a >> > >> SOHO-grade router that has full IPv6 support, 6to4 support, full >> > >> IPv4/NAT/firewall support, plus a readonably intuitive GUI to >> administer it >> > >> all. If such a product exists I continue to be unaware of it. >> > >> >> > >> Ned >> > > >> > > That is my conclusion as well. > >> > D-link Dir 825 > >> > http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=DIR-825 > >> > real firewall knobs, ipv6 in the gui etc... It think all their >> > "high-end" home router small business devices are getting features as >> > they get replaced. > >> > I have one deployed, screenshot is here: > >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/joelja/4663980030/ > >> This box may have adequate IPv6 support. (Or it may not - several >> people have >> raised issues with it's capabilities. Personally, I lack sufficient >> operational >> experience with IPv6 to know one way or the other.) > >> But it's severely deficient in terms of IPv4/NAT/firewall >> capabilities. In >> particular, while it has decent NATPT support, there is no indication >> it cannot >> handle multiple WAN-side IPv4 addresses and/or 1:1 NAT. The firewall is, >> according to several reviews I've seen, inadequate on the IPV6 side. > >> This puts it in the same category as the Apple Airport line and the >> Linksys >> RVS4000 - probably adequate for personal home use. But in no way, >> shape or form >> adequate for SOHO use. I was very clear I was talking about the >> latter, not the >> former. > >> > now would people please stop on this subject, the manufacturers know >> how >> > to build this stuff. > >> I'm waiting for an existence proof of the truth of this statement. So >> far I >> haven't seen one. The closest I've seen so far is the Sonicwall TZ >> line, but >> while it's very capable on the IPv4/NAT/firewall side of things, it's >> IPv6 >> support appears inadequate - no 6to4, no IPv6 firewall capabilities, etc. > >> Ned > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf