I think the policy recommended by the IESG is the right thing. Since IETF WGs operate via their mailing lists, IETF meeting are for cross area / cross WG interaction, which only works for people there a significant part of the week. This is the reason why the IETF has traditionally refused to have any such thing as day passes, why I don't think day passes are a good idea, and why the policy suggested by the IESG preserves the traditional meaning of "attending" an IETF meeting. On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:37 PM, David Morris <dwm@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Fri, 7 May 2010, John C Klensin wrote: >> Finally, as Dave Crocker pointed out, complexity in our >> operating rules rarely serves us well. Whether the discussion >> is about this case or about Nomcom qualifications more >> generally, we should not try to do enough hair-splitting to >> cover every possible case... if only because we will get it >> wrong and then require even more hair-splitting. > > That is exactly my point .. differentiating daypass vs full fare > registration is hair splitting over a critera that all seem to think > is weak to begin with. Whether the criteria is a good or bad indication of qualification, considered in isolation, is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether it is a reasonably balance between qualification, indication of interest, simplicity, ease of administration, and resistance to abuse. Based on this constellation of measures, paying for a week's admission and picking up your badge, the traditional criteria, still seem good to me. Of course, with the publicly verifiable random selection and other features of the nomcom voter selection process, it isn't all that critical. So, I wouldn't be particularly upset if the community wants to consider changing the criteria. But the recommended IESG policy is the closest to preserving the traditional criteria. Thanks, Donald > > ... > > Dave Morris > > To be clear .. I reject the proposed IESG statement. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf