Re: NAT Traversal With ICMP Replies

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On 2 Apr 2010, at 17:18, Dan Wing wrote:
-----Original Message-----
>> From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On 
>> Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 5:43 PM
>> To: ietf@xxxxxxxx
>> Subject: NAT Traversal With ICMP Replies
>> 
>> http://samy.pl/pwnat/
>> 
>> The idea is that NATs let back ICMP replies and send them to 
>> hosts behind them if they suspect them to be responses to 
>> messages sent from those hosts.  So, by making the reply 
>> fixed and having a server behind a NAT continuously sending 
>> the ICMP query that would elicit it, a server can learn a 
>> client's IP address, and thus begin communication without a 
>> central rendezvous server.
>> 
>> An interesting idea, for sure. 
> 
> Several drawbacks, though, including no provision for multiple
> PWNAT devices behind the same NAT.  Varying the ICMP query 
> address could resolve that, to some degree (modulo birthday 
> collisions).
> 
>> It might not be super 
>> efficient, and there's the question of whose network gets all 
>> these ICMP messages. 
> 
> http://ws.arin.net/whois/?queryinput=3.0.0.0

Yes.  We could solve the worst of both problems by assigning a *small* IANA block and arranging a blackhole for it.  We only need to trigger NAT behaviour, and we get to control the ICMP payload that should be expected.  Hamachi has nicked the 5/8 assignment, for its own use, to avoid overlapping private spaces (they aren't routed, of course, it's just for the communicating nodes on the UDP-encapsulated, NAT-traversing network).

Although I'm absolutely no fan of NAT, I can't help thinking this little technique might just help some, considering the only alternative is peer-mediated communications.  It should even work for DSLite deployment since the NATs are upstream.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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