I believe this is more consistently true outside the United States (so it
will be true for most of our known locations for the next few years).
Spencer
Another factor is that the going IETF room rate may include other items as
part of the package. For example, in Hiroshima breakfast was included in
the IETF room rate, but not the "off the shelf" rate. Other amenities will
vary.
Tony Hansen
On 3/24/2010 11:08 AM, joel jaeggli wrote:
It's actually pretty straight forward. hotels expect to make a certain
amount on a conference of a given size. you can either pay that in
meeting room rental, f&b or room rate. if the room rate goes down the
attendance fee goes up.
Also the multivenue hilton contract was negotiated back in the neustar
days so it's not clear that ams was even involved.
joel
On 3/24/2010 7:53 AM, Lou Berger wrote:
Phil,
I've been booking lower non-ietf rates at most IETFs for quite some
time now. I don't remember when I started, but it certainly was after
AMS took over. If the problem is really as you suggest, that rates go
down from the time of contract signing to when the meeting is actually
held, then this can be easily addressed in the contract. If one had
checked rates at the time this hotel was announced, you would have found
like I did that the adjacent weeks had much lower rates than this week.
This was the context for my question to Ray in Hiroshima. Clearly those
who are negotiating on our behalf could be doing a better job on
pricing. If they can't get obtain better prices, what's the point of
having a IETF/group rate? We should all just book individually.
I don't think anyone, including myself, need someone to "cry to", but I
do want an IAD/secretariat that works to the benefit of the IETF. I
can't speak for anyone but myself, I come to the IETF to work. I really
don't come to the IETF for the nearby attractions or the right brownies.
In order to do our work, I think we need a reasonable and safe meeting
environment (which includes no construction, a past problem that the
secretariat thankfully ensures no longer occurs), a meeting location
that is easily accessible, and costs that are contained (because if
they're not, my and many others ability to attend will be limited.)
Perhaps I'm misinformed or being unreasonable, but I expect that it is
the IAD/secretariat's job to deliver these.
Lou
On 3/23/2010 8:19 PM, pjnesser@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Well I am not in the secretariat but I expect it is something along
the lines of:
The ietf reserves the hotel a year or more in advance and signs a
contract for a block or rooms at rate X which is a discount on what
the hotel expects room rates to be in the future. Then a year goes by
and the economy dictates what the actual room rates are at the time
of the conference. Usually its a lot more. Occasionally its not.
Anyone making reservations should always ask what rate is available
at the time. Of the standard rate is less then book that. People need
to be responsible for themselves and not cry to the secretariat to
manage their lives for them. I paid for my own way when I went to
meetings and you can be sure I asked when making reservations.
Phil
------Original Message------
From: Lou Berger
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To: Samuel Weiler
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Subject: Re: Above market hotel room rates
Sent: Mar 23, 2010 7:36 PM
I asked Ray about this problem in Hiroshima, his response was something
along the lines of "conference rates are different and more complicated
from regular hotel rates". I have to say, I really think the community
deserves a detailed response on this topic from the secretariat...
Lou
On 3/23/2010 6:44 PM, Samuel Weiler wrote:
Once again, we appear to be meeting in a hotel that's offering lower
rates to
the general public than they're offering to us.
As of right now, the "Best Available Rate" at the Anaheim Hilton for
tonight,
23 March 2010, is $119. The senior rate is $113. That's from
hilton.com.
With a 2 day cancellation policy.
The same rate is also available for a three night stay, leaving on
Friday.
-- Sam
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