Re: Why the normative form of IETF Standards is ASCII

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Funny, I don't think anyone was suggesting PDF/A. The format most people have been suggesting is HTML. Donald brought up PDF/A as a strawman at the start of this discussion.

And the fact is that even though many, many people submit HTML versions of their drafts it is not possible to retrieve them from the IETF site.

And that is a really bad, really insulting waste of my time and the main reason I don't feel very inclined to work on RFCs.


If you don't care about the format of the RFC then let those of us who care a very great deal to change it. Or admit that what you really want is the fact that forcing everyone to use the teletype format and rubbing their noses in it is what makes you feel big and important and that the plain fact is that you really don't care what other people might think about this organization, all that really matters to you is that you are seen to get your way.

The teletype format really does hurt my eyes to look at.


On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 3:59 AM, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Running code, actual interest to deploy, and an incremental deployment model would probably take this matter further than the annual religious argument :-)

Those who feel the pain should build/select tools and demonstrate that (a) they can produce high-quality PDF/A, (b) that it provides additional value, and (c) that you can start publishing drafts and RFCs that use such a format without causing a problem for those who still read ASCII or use rfcdiff.

No one prevents you from publishing .pdf in addition to .txt as a draft. Just do it. For RFC 5534 we also got a permission to publish the .pdf version alongside .txt so it the process does not prevent you from doing it. (But I run out of time to fine-tune the RFC version of the PDF, so for now at least there is only the text version.)

In short, just go do it.

Jari


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