--On Saturday, March 13, 2010 07:51 -0700 Cullen Jennings <fluffy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I just got abused by someone reading the IESG web pages and > pointing out dates like 2010-01-02 , are confusing. Is there a > better way to do dates that we should be using on the ietf.org > web pages? First of all, while there have been many efforts to make that ambiguous, there really is an international standard that specifies dates in strict little-endian order (e.g., YYYYMMDD) with optional delimiters (hyphen is now specified, but period and maybe some other things were, if I recall, permitted in earlier versions of the standard). Because of national conventions, variations, and plain stupidity, all [other] formats suffer from at least one of three problems: (1) Dependency on particular languages, e.g., 1 Jan 2002. (2) Visual confusability of particular characters in common fonts, e.g., 1 II 2010 could easily be mistaken, with the wrong choice of fonts, for 1 11 2020. (Curiously, while the appearance of Roman numerals most often indicates a month, I've occasionally seen the equivalent of XXI 1 2010 and its permutations in the wild.) (3) The permutation problem, which gets particularly severe if two-digit years are used, and which is the source of the ambiguity you point out. IMO, if we have a problem (and, if members of the community are confused, we probably do), the best solution is a short note on relevant pages (perhaps even in the footer of every page) that says, e.g., "In accordance with International Standards, all dates on IETF web pages are either spelled out in full or in ISO 8601 format, i.e., YYYY-MM-DD". It is not trying to swap out one ambiguous format for another one that might be slightly less (or slightly more) ambiguous. john _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf