On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:58:17AM -0700, Ted Hardie wrote: > Howdy, > > I'd like to take one step up on this discussion. When the discussions [elided] > making it possible for participants to attend can have. I think their > efforts to make it easier for colleagues from China to attend are > generally intended to alleviate a long-time problem in that regard, > and I support them. But I think we have reached a gray area in our > decision making process, where the lines of what the community wanted > the IAOC to do when the IASA process was created don't quite match the > impact of this particular decision. hum... from a strictly social POV, this whole argument seems to hinge on an "us" v. "them" mentality. At what point do participants and colleagues become part of tthe "community"? This (not so) subtle split between our engineering colleagues not blessed/cursed with living in or under out own particular (comfortable) rules is demeaning at best and outright harmful at worst. > My personal take on the resolution of this is that the Chinese > government has provided a long-recognized way of routing around the > problem. The "One Country/Two Systems" formulation created by Deng > Xiaoping sets aside special administrative regions that clearly are > part of China and yet do not share the characteristics which have been > of concern in this community consultation. If we can make > participation easier for our Chinese colleagues by meeting in Hong > Kong or Macau, I think we should do so, and I think so even if that > means the meeting must be unsponsored. hum... (again). There is this right of sovreigns to make rules (my house, my rules) - Frankly, I'd be a bit more concerned holding mtgs in France or the US than in China, if only due to crypto rulings or electronic confiscation rules. Its not a perfect world kids. Being kind, polite and respectful goes a long way. > > Again, I want to commend the IAOC on their consultation, and I hope > that we can find some way forward that meets the community's needs as > equitably as possible. Speaking only for myself, for the -whole- community ... :) --bill > > regards, > > Ted Hardie > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf -- --bill Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf