RE: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meeting of the IETF

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On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 15:11 -0400, Ross Callon wrote:

> Speaking solely as an individual, providing only my personal opinion:
> 
> I think that this is not acceptable and we should not sign it.  
> 
> I understand that no location is perfect. However, I think that this
> goes well beyond what we normally put up with and well beyond what we
> should put up with.
> 
> There are two classes of issues which concern me:
> 
> The first is the risk to the IETF. I understand that the likelihood of
> anything happening as a result of this is very low. However, the IETF
> is a very unruly and opinionated group, and is probably more unruly
> than other groups that have recently met in China (or anywhere else).
> We have little idea what IETF attendees will do either in spite of or
> even because of this restriction. It would not be surprising to have
> some sort of major dust-up at the IESG plenary over this issue, and we
> don't know how the host country officials would react to this. Also,
> while the risk of the meeting being stopped in the middle seems very
> low, if it did happen this would be a very bad result for all
> concerned. If one IETF attendee were to be booted out of the hosting
> country based on something that they said or put on their slides or in
> a jabber room even that would be very bad. 
> 
> Also, from a moral point of view I don't think that we should accept
> this. Freedom of speech is a very basic freedom that is guaranteed in
> a wide range of countries (although of course not all).  The people
> who live there don't have the ability to say "no" without serious
> consequences. We DO have the ability to say no, and I think that we
> should. 
> 
> Again, this is just my personal opinion, and not the opinion of any
> group nor organization that I might happen to be associated with. 
> 
> thanks, Ross

+1

// Steve

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