Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:29:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen <ole@xxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.63.0909181236360.12080@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> | Whether or not we should meet in China based on principles of | free speech and such is, I think, something we need to come to | at least a rough consensus on. Actually, no, we don't, and shouldn't. If we were to start down that road we'd need to start analysing the policies of countries on all kinds of sensitive issues, such as religious freedom, the right to "bear arms", compulsory military service provisions, whether or not abortion is permitted, adherence to the Kyoto pact on climate control, .... None of that makes sense for an organisation like the IETF. On the other hand, individuals both can, and should, exercise their own right to refuse to attend meetings in locations where if they were to attend they'd feel either threatened, or to perhaps be complicit in some policy with which they disagree. If the effect of that were to cause attendance at some site to be so low that useful work was impossible, then the chances of a future meeting there would be negligible - and that's the one thing that the IETF (or IAOC or whoever) should consider - will it be possible to hold an effective IETF meeting, if the answer to that is no, then look elsewhere, if yes, then that is a suitable venue, after which it's just a (perhaps not trivial) matter of choosing between all the available suitable venues offered for any particular meeting. kre _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf