John C Klensin wrote: > > --On Sunday, August 23, 2009 14:18 -0700 Doug Barton > <dougb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> ... >> So, if someone doesn't get at >>> least a day pass, I'd be happier if we charged a nominal (even >>> if only $10 - $20) fee for registration for the tutorial than >>> just open the doors. > >> I disagree here. I think that opening the newcomer's session >> and (if the host is agreeable) the reception on Sunday to all >> comers would have way more benefits than costs. Of course we >> would have to capitalize on all those fresh bodies by having >> registration open and suitable promotional materials for both >> full and one-day registration prominently (yet tastefully) >> displayed. > > Doug, > > I think that the ability for active participants in the IETF to > get into the reception and even eat is fairly important, > probably more important than encouraging first-timers and > visitors. I hope that you would agree with that, even though we > would both prefer to have no restrictions in that regard. I definitely agree that if I pay for IETF I want my shot at the dried out chicken wings, yes. :) FWIW I'm not trying to minimize your concerns, which I think are valid. I simply think that reasonable minds can differ on the cost/benefit analysis. > What caused my suggestion for a nominal fee and some sort of > preregistration (which that fee would imply) was a vision of the > IETF meeting in a location with nearby college campuses and the > possibility of signs (possibly put up by third parties) > advertising the reception and noting "free food" and, depending > on the location and sponsor "free beer". I leave the rest to > your imagination. Well, you seem to have a darker view of human nature than I do, and that's saying something. There are ways to solve both problems I think, such as setting aside the first 30 minutes for paid participants and opening the doors wide after that. In any case I don't want to overengineer the social events. I personally think that we should use the golden rule. Whoever pays the gold for the event gets to make the rules. Regardless of where we come out on the socials I think it would be good to have some kind of consensus on opening the newcomer session and the plenaries, at minimum to those who pay for day passes (and IMO for all comers). There's only a little over 2 months till Hiroshima, so it would be nice to have a settled policy on this soon-ish so that people can make their plans appropriately. Doug _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf