On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 10:09:56AM +0100, Dave Cridland wrote: > > Hmmm... That depends on what you think the shirt means. You imply it > means participation - and I'll vocally resist any definition of > participation which mandates attendance as a part of participation, > since you're implicitly devaluing my participation to somewhere close > to zero - I'll admit I'm no Crocker, Klensin, or Postel, but I > believe my participation is somewhat higher than might be implied by > only having two shirts. (Paris and Prague, if anyone's counting). I have another scenario for draft-ietf-more-t-shirts-please, which is the much loved but heavily faded or worn t-shirt. I really liked my IETF55 sports-style Nokia IPv6 shirt, but it's now relegated to gardening duty. A chance to get a new version would be awesome, and while I doubt we'll do backdated t-shirts, I can imagine the IETF74 shirt we have 'source' for being similarly desirable in five years time. I agree the income to the IETF will not exactly be huge, but more people being seen in IETF shirts is no bad thing for awareness. Often seeing someone else in a past IETF shirt invites a conversation that would never happen otherwise. I also think there's room for non-event shirts, like the IETF@20 one. And these t-shirts don't have to be fascimiles - I would be quite happy to order t-shirts in different colours, or even as a polo shirt or in 'female tee' form for a partner. If the IETF chooses to use an appropriate t-shirt company, that sort of bespoke ordering should be possible. Of course I realise this is all work for someone, and there are bigger fish to fry. I would be happy to spend some cycles helping out if volunteers are needed. -- Tim _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf