Some history that may explain some of my and some other reaction to the recent postings by the Trust When the Trust was formed a number of us were quite worried that it would begin to see itself as self directed and not as a function whose purpose was to act at the direction of and in support of the IETF. My own reaction to the recent postings from the Trust is that the Trust is moving in the direction that some of us were worried about -- the Trust posts a bunch of proposed changes out of the blue. Out of the blue because I did not see any posting that explained why they felt that they needed to make changes or that these specific changes were in response to particular IETF requests (or legal threats) - see the original posting at http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg57276.html The reaction from the Trust to the comments from the community has not been reassuring. It is true that they modified some of their proposed changes but they do not seem to have understood the more basic issue that I expressed in my message to the Trust on Tue Jun 23 14:57:12. What I do not see in this message is pointers to where the IETF asked that the TRUST to make these changes it would be fine by me if the Trust were to send a note saying that we see the following problems - (and maybe, here are options we see) what whould you like us to do, it seems less fine for the Trust to get out ahead of the folks it is supposed to be working for in changing things (even if it provides a chance for the IETF to comment) The fact that there was no response to that message or to a number of other messages (in particular, messages from John Klensin) reinforces the worry about an out of control Trust. I think the Trust needs to press the reset button and start again. Start with a posting that says what problems they feel the IETF has asked them to fix and what other problems the feel need fixing, along with the specific change they propose to deal with each problem. We can then talk about each issue to determine if there is consensus that the problem needs fixing and if the proposed solution meets the needs. And, unless there is a specific legal threat that the Trust can point at this process should not be rushed. Scott _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf