Hadriel is right... I quit using xmlmind (never installed on the new machine) because I should not be focusing on formatting nonsense when I should be focusing on generating the correct content. Getting the arcane systax correct always takes me half a day because I am not constantly writing drafts. I am not opposed to tools like xml2rfc in general, but that implementation (even using something like xmlmind with the appropriate filter) represents a giant leap backward to the early 80's world of document creation. As far as I am concerned xml2rfc represents a first step, but we must not stop there. Tony > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Hadriel Kaplan > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 4:26 PM > To: Joel M. Halpern; Iljitsch van Beijnum > Cc: IETF Discussion Mailing List > Subject: RE: XML2RFC must die, was: Re: Two different threads - IETF > Document Format > > > > At 11:01 AM 7/5/2009, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > > >I have seen some folks arguing that we should make XML2RFC normative > > >and mandatory. If they can figure out how to automatically and > > >accurate convert the other mechanisms people use, then that can be > > >considered. Otherwise, mandating would be inappropriate, as some > > >folks do indeed find it difficult. > > +1 > > For those who are used to MS-Word, XMLMind is frustrating and truly > requires an XML mind. Even simple things like cut/paste are done in a > very different (and frankly inconsistent) way, as are references and > such. In theory a WYSIWYG word processor shouldn't require an author > to know the internal representation and underlying language of the > document format. > > I know a large number if not outright majority of IETF authors do not > use MS-Word, so XML2RFC is a fine *option* - but please don't ever > *mandate* it and force the rest of us have to write documents in a > syntax only a tiny fraction of the planet uses and understands. > > -hadriel > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf