Eric Rescorla wrote:
Regardless of what the IETF's global policy is and without taking a position on Dean Anderson's postings in general, I am not aware of him having abused these services to send any inappropriate mail to me.
I think the situation with Dean is somewhat askew of what's covered in 3683, since the issue here isn't that he's sending abusive mail or spam (per se) or mail that's inherently objectionable. It's that he's subscribing people who post to the IETF mailing list to his own mailing list, and I'm not sure that the problem with doing so is that it generates a "welcome" message. That is to say, it's not the email that's being sent that's the issue (as nearly as I can tell there's zero traffic on Dean's mailing lists), it's that he's subscribing people without their permission in the first place and that he's not letting some unsubscribe in the second. I'll take the liberty of assuming that there's general agreement that this is not okay, and the issue under discussion is how to respond. In terms of response there are two issues: 1) preventative steps, and 2) punitive steps. I'm not sure there are steps that can be taken to prevent someone from doing this without losing a significant degree of openness, and I think it's obvious that that's too high a price to pay. As for punishment, I'm just not sure. There have been a few PR actions against Anderson so far and he doesn't seem to be behaving any better, so whatever punitive actions that have been taken seem to have been ineffective. Melinda _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf