RE: Extending the Dean Anderson PR-action to lists on tools.ietf.org

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Eric Rescorla wrote:
> Regardless of what the IETF's global policy is and without taking a
> position on Dean Anderson's postings in general, I am not aware of him
> having abused these services to send any inappropriate mail to me.
> I therefore see no good reason to block what is otherwise a useful
> communication channel. Accordingly, I hereby request that you unblock
> his posting privileges to any and all of the above mentioned aliases
> that send mail to me.

+1 and a similar request from me. 

I'm not generally in favor of restrictions on speech as long as I remain
free not to listen. In that respect, Dean Anderson has never abused his
freedom to speak to me.

/Larry


Lawrence Rosen
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Eric Rescorla
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:18 AM
> To: Henrik Levkowetz
> Cc: IETF Discussion; iesg@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Extending the Dean Anderson PR-action to lists on
> tools.ietf.org
> 
> 
> Hi Henrik,
> 
> Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> > As a service to the community, there are two sets of email address alias
> > lists maintaned on tools.ietf.org:
> >
> > One list provides aliases for the WG chairs of all active working groups
> > and also of chairs of working groups which have been closed recently,
> and
> > also equivalent aliases for working group ADs, patterned so:
> > <wg-acronym>-chairs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx and <wg-acronym>-ads@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Another list provides aliases for draft authors, so that they can be
> > reached through aliases following the pattern <draft-
> name>@tools.ietf.org.
> >
> > The service is described briefly on http://tools.ietf.org/ under the
> > "Share and Communicate" heading.
> 
> First, I want to say that this is a great service. I do a fair number of
> reviews and I use these aliases all the time... It's really become a
> critical part of our infrastructure.
> 
> 
> > As maintainer of these lists, I, Henrik Levkowetz, hereby let it be
> known
> > that I have chosen to extend the posting rights action against Dean
> Anderson
> > (see http://www4.ietf.org/iesg/pr-action.html) to also apply to these
> lists,
> > according to the provisions for posting rights actions described on the
> above
> > referenced web page and the references it mentions.
> 
> While this may be technically within the limits of 3683, I don't think
> it comports well with the spirit of the document. To recap, the effect
> of a PR-Action is that:
> 
>    o  those identified on the PR-action have their posting rights to
>       that IETF mailing list removed; and,
> 
>    o  maintainers of any IETF mailing list may, at their discretion,
>       also remove posting rights to that IETF mailing list.
> 
> >From the rest of the context of the document, I think it's reasonably
> clear that the purpose of allowing maintainers of other mailing lists
> to remove posting rights is to allow them to quickly respond to
> disruptive behavior *on those lists*. In the case of WG or other
> discussion lists, this is a reasonably good fit: the
> maintainer of the list is generally the chair and so is responsible
> for monitoring and facilitating discussion and is well position
> to determine whether the subject of a PR action is disruptive.
> 
> However, this is not really the case for these lists, which are just
> expanders for the relevant chairs, ADs, or draft authors. While you
> may be maintaining the list in a technical sense, the recipients are
> the ones who monitor the communication and are in a position to
> determine whether it's disruptive or not. I don't think it fits well
> with the intent of 3683 to have a global decision to be taken on all
> these services by someone who is not involved in the discussion,
> regardless of whether those involved have complained. I'm not saying
> that PR Actions can't be extended to these aliases (though I think
> that given Sam's comments it's an open question and given the ease of
> expanding them directly it seems rather pointless) but in my opinion
> at minimum it should be upon request of the recipients, not the
> decision of a global maintainer.
> 
> Regardless of what the IETF's global policy is and without taking a
> position on Dean Anderson's postings in general, I am not aware of him
> having abused these services to send any inappropriate mail to me.
> I therefore see no good reason to block what is otherwise a useful
> communication channel. Accordingly, I hereby request that you unblock
> his posting privileges to any and all of the above mentioned aliases
> that send mail to me.
> 
> Best,
> -Ekr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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