Melinda Shore wrote:
I was auto-subscribed to Dean's "ietf-honest" mailing
list, and I'm unhappy about it.
Sorry Melinda - boy are your wrong - and you need to know that you may
need to get legal advice on this - because you nor anyone else here owns
their own IP addresses anymore... you gave them away to the IETF when
you submitted them to the IETF under the NoteWell provisions.
I personally warned the IETF that the Mailing Lists were included in the
NoteWell licensing and that anyone operation of a Mailing List form the
IETF's would constitute a Derivative Work of that Publication several
years ago.
I don't know what his
current status is with regard to the ietf@xxxxxxxx
mailing list but I think he's pretty clearly abusing
this mailing list by snagging names from it and
putting us on his mailing list without asking.
Yeah, NO HE IS NOT - the NoteWell rules specifically allow that - and
they CANNOT BE RETROACTIVELY CHANGED - but its amusing that you think
they don't. The EMAIL Addresses in any IETF mailing list are fair game
for ANYONE under the IETF's idiotic ANY and ALL USES proviso - but hey...
I'm also
not thrilled that the "welcome" message he sends out
fails to clearly identify who's sending it and that
he does not represent the IETF.
So far this is the only complaint I think holds water...
This is a small problem
but a problem nonetheless.
Actually the problem is the IPR WG Management and its refusal to take
notice of these issues such that they could be addressed before the IESG
put those documents into production as the current-controlling contract
instances. Now you and everyone else here has the problem that any
mass-marketer can demand the IETF produce those mailing lists, for their
use under NoteWell or simply extract them and them turn the
email-spigot on.
By the way - NoteWell conveyance of an Email Address would also control
the ability to 'opt out' I am betting - my argument is that it
eliminates it and that is based on the persistent any and all uses
language - especially since the use of the mailing list would be in
republishing IETF content - only this time its a mailing list header and
the commercial content of the Spammer's
Nice move IPR-WG - I say you screwed the pooch just about as much as is
possible here.
Todd Glassey
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