Noel Chiappa said on Friday, February 13, 2009 8:59 AM > > From: Henk Uijterwaal <henk@xxxxxxxx> > > > What is exactly the problem we're trying to solve here? > >Having people's mailboxes explode from ill-considered public pressure >campaigns? At the start, I got as much email in one hour as I often get in a >week. That's really not the problem, is it? The problem is that we are forced to deal with "ill-considered public pressure campaigns". I forgot who made it but the previous proposal of subtle changes in the LC language would go a long way of dissuading future campaigns, IMHO. On the other hand, why not have someone in an official capacity (IETF Chair or some such) work with FSF on the best way to contribute to IETF work, instead of instigating email campaigns that only serves to irk the IETF community in general? Their position (as stated in John Sullivan's email) is not that unreasonable. We shouldn't assume that FSF will not learn from feedbacks - aside from condescending comments. > > Do we really want to introduce all kinds of complex procedures just > > based on one incident? > >Well, it's not the first time - the FSF pulled the same stunt back in October >of 2007. And no doubt, if it continues to be allowed, it will happen again. Isn't that the right price to pay for an open forum? Or are we going to have a committee pre-screen submitted for technical merits before being posted to mailing lists? >My original proposal was very simple: create one more list as a formal notice >place for LC's, since many of the FSF drive-by posters were saying 'but, but >your LC said send comments here'. > >Anyway, nothing is stopping an IETF person from sending email to the IETF list >about something they want to bring up there, so if an LC has something that >really bugs someone in the IETF, they can still send email to the IETF list >about it. > Of course, this works. If you know the secret handshake, your opinion will be heard; else your comments are delivered to a bit bucket where no one with apparently sound technical mind will ever see - since _they_ know better than to subscribe to "LC comment's mailing list". > Noel -- Jerry Huang, AT&T Labs, +1 630 810 7679 _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf