The result of the FSF campaign has been to raise a legal concern obviously important to many of us: Will users of the proposed IETF TLS specification require patent licenses from RedPhone to use such implementations in the US or elsewhere? I don't yet know the answer to this question. Does anyone here? Several emails here have valiantly attempted to get us to focus on the technical aspects of the RedPhone patent claims, the progress of the patent in the PTO and PCT, and other technical issues. Speaking only for myself, I haven't yet seen any justification for us fearing the RedPhone patent claims. They may be as bogus as the hundreds of other patent infringement claims that companies receive letters about every day. OTOH, they may be deadly submarines ready to attack us all. Why don't we organize to answer the patent claim infringement issues like professionals do? Ask technical experts. Consult a patent attorney. Render expert opinions. And thank those from FSF and elsewhere who have written here to encourage us to do so! If the TLS specification really is patent-encumbered, in the professional view of experts who have reason to understand the details, my vote here and those of many FSF members and FOSS advocates too will be to have nothing more to do with it. /Larry Lawrence Rosen Rosenlaw & Einschlag, a technology law firm (www.rosenlaw.com) 3001 King Ranch Road, Ukiah, CA 95482 707-485-1242 * cell: 707-478-8932 * fax: 707-485-1243 Skype: LawrenceRosen _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf