Dear Cos: True, and I agree with the facts about the process completely. However, these are people who are upset, and want to make thier opinions known... though there is no "voting process", per se, it is good to know (and see) that so many people are interested and have a strong opinion about this subject. Though I agree that it can be annoying and cumbersome, the knowledge that so many people are opposed is good to know and useful as well. It certainly woke me up from my long slumber on the list, personally. I've been here for many years, but haven't spoken up at all really... I've been watching, absorbing information, but hesitant to throw my opinion out there. Hopefully this situation will bring many new people into the discussions. I do agree that those who are interested should subscribe to the list and join into the conversation, that will definitely have the greatest possibility of being productive (both in the short and long term). Sincerely, Alex Loret de Mola Lead Software Engineer, iScan Services On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Ofer Inbar <cos@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Alex Loret de Mola <edgarverona@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Dear Carsten: (And others who feel upset at the recent development) >> >> As someone who's been a (mostly silent, but frequently reading) member >> of this mailing list, I can understand your concern. However, can you >> propose a better way for them to contact members of the IETF? > > This stems from a misunderstanding of IETF process. What they're > doing is indeed "contacting" the IETF to express an opinion, as if > we're a political lobby. IETF decisions don't get made by counting > votes, as you know. There's no value in having lots and lots of > people write to say essentially the same thing - it just annoys list > members, but doesn't actually contribute to the discussion. > > If people want to *participate in discussion* they can *subscribe*. > > If people want to *raise new points to be discussed* then a well > thought out message raising those new points would be called for. > It does not need to be repeated 50 times. Two or three is enough :) > -- Cos > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf