Re: [Fwd: Last Call: draft-hoffman-dac-vbr (Vouch By Reference) to Proposed Standard]

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John R. Levine wrote:
The other thing I don't understand is why you minimize the expected VBR effect. (If that's meant as an apotropaic stance, I have no objection. Otherwise,) I wonder why we shouldn't push VBR as hard as we can, if it can stop spam.

Could you point out where anyone, anywhere has claimed that VBR would "stop spam"? It's a technology to whitelist mail from people you trust.

...I trust as not being spammers, you mean. Isn't that the same thing?

Self-referencing DNS based techniques are out there already, and have been criticized claiming that it is actually easier for spammers to comply than it is for legitimate users. Hence a third party is required. Reverse DNS and whois databases unfortunately are not apt. Ergo, VBR.

Dave CROCKER wrote:
What I don't understand is your certitude about specific impact.

It's not certitude, it's hope. OTOH, do we have anything better? (We're not allowed to use nuclear weapons, are we ;-))

Anyone who is certain of the second- and third- and fourth- order effects of adopting a particular protocol is ignoring the pattern of surprise that accompanies real-world developments for anything with a social component.

The reality of VBR is that it is almost entirely subject to social forces.

Strongly agreed! It will only work if all the people will like it, and agree on a restricted set of vouch-for operators, and use it. Likely?

--
        Imagine all the people
        Sharing all the world
        You may say I'm a dreamer
        But I'm not the only one

John Lennon, 1971

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