Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> writes: > On 2008-12-13 08:20, Russ Housley wrote: >> At 01:28 PM 12/12/2008, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> >>> As far as I understand, I can no longer take RFC 4398, fix some >>> minor problem, and re-submit it as a RFC 4398bis. Even though I was >>> editor of RFC 4398. The reason is that some material in that document >>> was written by others. At least, I cannot do this, without getting >>> permission from the other people who wrote the initial document. I wish >>> this is mistaken and that someone can explain how to reconcile this >>> example with what Russ wrote. >> >> Correct. RFC 5378 imposes this burden on the contributor. All of the >> rights needed to make updates to the document within the IETF Standards >> Process are clearly already available, but the contributor is required >> to obtain the additional rights that are required by RFC 5378. > > Formally yes. But the Trust can take the sting out of this by > a vigorous effort to get former contributors to sign over the > necessary rights, and by providing a convenient method for > this to be done. Really? As far as I read the form in [1], it will give the IETF Trust the rights to your document. It does not give IETF participants any rights. And it is the IETF participants that will need to be able to grant the Trust these rights in order to submit a document, according to RFC 5378. What appears to be missing is a grant from the IETF Trust to IETF Participants for the documents signed over to them using the form. The legal provisions in [2] does not appear to provide this grant-back. It only grants rights to IETF participants to documents that are submitted after the effective date: The licenses granted by the IETF Trust pursuant to these Legal Provisions apply only with respect to (i) IETF Contributions (including Internet-Drafts) that are submitted to the IETF following the Effective Date, and (ii) IETF RFCs and other IETF Documents that are published after the Effective Date. Further: d. In most cases, rights to Pre-Existing IETF Documents that are not expressly granted under these RFCs can only be obtained by requesting such rights directly from the document authors. The IETF Trust and the Internet Society do not become involved in making such requests to document authors. /Simon [1] http://trustee.ietf.org/docs/Contributor_Non-Exclusive_License_RFC5378.pdf [2] http://trustee.ietf.org/docs/IETF-Trust-License-Policy.pdf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf