> Second, the fact that 10 years ago you set up sendmail for > the computer club at your college doesn't make you an expert > on modern large scale email systemms administration. The > operational concerns for large-scale email setups today are > very different from thost that would have applied to small > scale setups a few years back. > > I'm not going to get into the insight real operational > experience provides because I also lack the necessary > operational experience to have an informed opinion. To make good standards you need a broad selection of informed opinion from different viewpoints. Why should it not be as simple to set up an IETF standard email system for a small organization as it was 10 years ago? Definitely there are issues of scale that have to be considered, but if the IETF really wanted to have large scale email operators drive new Internet email standards then we would hand the job over to MAAWG. You are right that the quality of the discussion about DNSBLs has not been too good. But the underlying problem seems to be that dissenting voices did not participate in the drafting of the DNSBL document, and therefore the document writers had not found the right level of compromise to get the dissenters on board. Anyone can claim to be a great expert and write a standards document, but the real hard work is in getting a group of people with differing backgrounds and experience to agree with that standards document. --Michael Dillon _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf