Tony Hain skrev: > Cullen Jennings wrote: >> I'm sure that the IAB and IESG is keenly interested in this topic but >> everyone that cares is subscribed to behave. > > While I agree that everyone interested in defining nat behavior is > subscribed to Behave, I doubt that everyone in the application community is, > yet every one of them will be impacted by the fundamental architectural > implications of this backroom rush to market effort. There has been no > justification of the need for a 66nat, only wild claims that we need to do > something now because people will be shipping them in the next few months. > While I have no doubt that vendors will ship what their customers are asking > for, it is not clear that the IETF should endorse an effort with such a wide > ranging architectural impact. Never mind that if the vendors are really > shipping in the next few months there is no chance that an IETF document > would be published before there are products on the street.... > > Hosting this discussion in Behave assumes the outcome, and is absolutely the > wrong place for an architectural discussion. This should be held in the > Applications area, and only moved to Behave to resolve the implementation > details once it is decided that a 66nat is absolutely necessary. Trying to > do it by having people pre-disposed to an answer and without any concern for > the impact to the application community is guaranteed to result in > perpetuating an unnecessary architectural wart. > Tony, We had quite some discussion in IESG about where to discuss this topic. There is no perfect fit. I think it is time to move it from Behave to its own list as the discussion continues to go on and impacts Behave's chartered work. However, the issues as you say is that it is an architectural discussion and it affects all layers from routing up to application. Which means that we need insights from all layers. But, we can't continue to have a good discussion by cross posting to all area list or the ietf@xxxxxxxx list. Also be certain that we haven't decided anything about what to do with NAT66, except saying that we are allowing the discussion. There will be a BOF before anything if any is chartered on this topic. Cheers Magnus Westerlund IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@xxxxxxxxxxxx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf