Hi Steve, sorry to mention spamhaus again, but that is the reason why many german and especially austrian mailoperators had to give up blacklisting completely and turned to graylisting. Greylisting is mostly the same as blacklisting except you dont depend on somebody else to maintain the list. As one of my clients has put it: "The makers behind a blacklist feel like god because they decide live or death of an email address. The users of this list believe it too and that is why they never understand how a blacklist could ever see the end of its live. God is eternal and so must be his blacklist. As happened once and again mailers break their sysop breakes too and nobody knows who ever turned their mailers to use this particular blacklist." When we could not exchange emails with atnic for quite some time we had to very quickly switch from blacklist to greylist. We did not have a reason to switch back. The girl who runs the mailer is mostly the girl who empties the wastepaper baskets and sweeps the court. She does not live long enough in a company to touch that mailer more than once. The next girl who comes to touch the mailer has not even heard about blacklists. Kind regards Peter Steve Linford wrote: > Ehm, I don't think I want to enter into the 'issues' in Mr Anderson's > post, but I do like his "I hate John Levine" web page, I think all of > those who become graced with their own "I hate you" ranting web page > have verifiably achieved greatness (well done John ;) > > This bit though I can elaborate on: > >>>> Unlike you, I don't see "overwhelming community consensus for >>>> this mechanism". >>> >>> Aw, come on. There's a billion and a half mailboxes using the >>> Spamhaus DNSBLs, on systems ranging from giant ISPs down to hobbyist >>> Linux boxes. >> >> This 1.5billion number is just more unsubstantiated BS. > > Actually that is user numbers we have signed contracts for (i.e: > contractually-declared numbers of end users of the Spamhaus Datafeed > service), the actual figure being 1,425,440,000 users currently. I > would say that is a level of usage that strongly suggests "overwhelming > community consensus for this mechanism". > > Steve Linford > The Spamhaus Project > http://www.spamhaus.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf -- Peter and Karin Dambier Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana Rimbacher Strasse 16 D-69509 Moerlenbach-Bonsweiher +49(6209)795-816 (Telekom) +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) mail: peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.peter-dambier.de/ http://iason.site.voila.fr/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/ _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf