Re: Removal of IETF patent disclosures?

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Ted Hardie <hardie@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

> At 7:31 AM -0700 8/15/08, Simon Josefsson wrote:
>>By submitting a draft to the IETF, you (normally) give the IETF rights
>>to build technology based on it. 
>
> While I am sure that you don't mean to confuse this issue,
> "to build technology based on it" has two possible meanings
> here. "To build on this work in order to develop standards
> in the area" is one, and someone submitting a draft
> to the IETF normally does give the IETF those rights.
>
> Other processes determine what rights are granted
> to whom to build the (software|hardware) based on those standards.
> One of those processes might be patent licensing or
> acceptance  of a quid pro quo.  (such as accepting that the use
> of a technology means you will not sue the holder of that
> technology for patent infringement relevant to your own
> rights--see Cisco's common  license).  Submitting a
> draft does not give those rights to the IETF (and
> the requirement that you file IPR claims  and licenses
> relevant to it is a statement that filing the draft does
> not grant those rights).
>
> Again, I'm sure you know this in your bones, but since
> this list is read by a variety of people who pick up conversations
> at various places, I believe this needs to be said.
> 		regards,
> 			Ted Hardie

Right.  I should have said "... give IETF participants the right to
publish an updated IETF draft" instead.

Thanks,
/Simon
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