Folks, The exchange over netmod was one of the more pragmatic and encouraging threads I've seen in the IETF in a very long time. I think it crystallized the core criteria that ought to drive the decision for chartering a group. Rather than filter them through my own re-wording, here are the tidbits that I think stated things quite nicely: Bert Wijnen - IETF wrote: > instead of discussing if there was consensus AT THE BOF (we all know that > at this point in time we DO have consensus between all the interested > WORKERS in this space, Andy Bierman wrote: > The 15 people on the design team represented a wide cross section of those > actually interested in this work. I am among the 10 - 15 people who were > not involved in the design team, but agree with the charter. That seems > like a lot of consensus for this technical approach. David Partain wrote: > The O&M community in the IETF has been talking about this specific topic > for a long time, both in official and unofficial settings. We've had many > hours of meetings where people from all various viewpoints have had hashed > out their differences. This all culminated during the last IETF in a rather > strong sense of consensus amongst those most interested in this work that > it's time to stop talking and move forward, and that YANG was the best way > to do that. No, not everyone agreed, but we DO have rough consensus in the > O&M community and with the APPS area people who were involved that this was > a reasonable approach forward. ... > So, what's my point? That everyone who cares about this work and is engaged > in it _does_ agree that we have consensus to move forward in this > direction, that there has been public scrutiny of the proposal, and that > it's time to move on. Bert Wijnen - IETF wrote: > I propose that you list (again) your (technical) objections > to the the current proposal. If all you can tell us is that > we need to spend just more cycles on re-hashing the pros > and cons of many possible approaches, then I do not > see the usefulness of that discussion... d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf