I have had a number of conversations with i18n experts on the topic and none have complained about it thus far... which, of course, doesn't mean that much. I would very much appreciate having folks like Harald, Martin and Tex weigh in on the issue. Another comment that has come up is a question about why we can't just use the W3C ITS spec for this, which is definitely a valid question. I would definitely appreciate feedback on that issue as well. When it comes to the rendering of feeds in a UI, dir="" is likely not to have any significant effect since, as you and others have pointed out, (x)html has no similar notion and a direction has to be assumed. The main point of dir="" is to ensure that the original directional context of an entry is preserved regardless of the specific feed that happens to contain the entry. - James Frank Ellermann wrote: > James M Snell wrote: > >> My apologies for not getting back to this sooner. > > No problem, it's only that the proposal to "rename" > the draft attracted my attention, and after I said > that this is dubious in a "Last Call" thread I read > the text, not only the file name... ;-) > > All I know about BiDi issues could be summarized as > "if Harald / Martin / Tex / ... think it works it's > supposed to work". But the acknowledgements in your > draft did not mention anybody I know as BiDi-expert, > that was the point when I started to worry about it. > > Apparently 'dir' is strictly binary, "LTR" or "RTL", > and your draft adds a third value "". Maybe this is > a good idea. Or it is a case of "ternary bits", I > can't judge it. > > Possibly you could convince me that it's a good idea > by giving an example where dir="ltr" and dir="" make > a difference, and/or by stating that dir="" MUST NOT > be used within the (X)HTML parts of an Atom document, > but actually that's beside the point. What's really > interesting, did any BiDi expert confirm dir="" as a > good idea ? If dir="" is a part of the experiment - > fine, let's see what happens. > > Frank > > _______________________________________________ > IETF mailing list > IETF@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf