----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom.Petch" <sisyphus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Eliot Lear" <lear@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: "IETF Discussion" <ietf@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:09 AM Subject: Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailing Lists > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eliot Lear" <lear@xxxxxxxxx> > To: "Russ Housley" <housley@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: "IETF Discussion" <ietf@xxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:13 PM > Subject: Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailing Lists > >> >> Russ, >> >> > When IETF lists are housed somewhere other than ietf.org, they are >> > supposed to include an archive recipient so that there is an archive >> > available at ietf.org (perhaps in addition to the one kept at the >> > place where the list is housed). >> > >> >> I'll agree with Phill's conclusion on this one. >> >> I think there is probably convenience value to housing the mailing lists >> at the IETF. It allows for a single whitelist, reduction in those >> annoying monthly messages that we eventually all filter into the >> bitbucket. > > Err, no! I have been silently discarded from IETF lists on a number of > occasions - v6ops is the worst offender - and that monthly message is an > invaluable check as to whether I have been discarded again or whether the > list > has been dormant. That is addressable though tom. The real issue is the legal controls which the IETF is obligated by its creation under the ISOC Charter to put in place. These include managing the electronic archive and legal culpability for changes (authorized or not) to that content as well as dealing with instances where individuals were 'quietly edited out' of various WG's > > Tom Petch > >> Also, it probably is easier to effect and audit policy >> (such as we have any) in terms of message retention, uniform access, etc. >> >> Regards, >> >> Eliot >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IETF mailing list >> IETF@xxxxxxxx >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > _______________________________________________ > IETF mailing list > IETF@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf