I would suggest that the IESG also think about hosting all IETF lists in house in the future. The main reason for this is legal, a list that is maintained by the IETF is much more satisfactory in a patent dispute than one run by a third party. Last thing we want is to have patent trolls dragging a third party list maintainer into a dispute while they try to argue that the list somehow does not count. And yes, I am aware that the 'law', might be on our side here. The problem is that it can cost a ridiculous amount of money to have a court decide the most obvious and basic question you might imagine. > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of IESG Secretary > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:40 AM > To: IETF Announcement list > Cc: iesg@xxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailing Lists > > The following principles apply to spam control on IETF mailing lists: > > * IETF mailing lists MUST provide spam control. > * Such spam control SHOULD track accepted practices used on > the Internet. > * IETF mailing lists MUST provide a mechanism for legitimate > technical participants to bypass moderation, > challenge-response, or other techniques that would interfere > with a prompt technical debate on the mailing list without > requiring such participants to receive list traffic. > * IETF mailing lists MUST provide a mechanism for legitimate > technical participants to determine if an attempt to post was > dropped as apparent spam. > * The Internet draft editor, RFC editor, IESG secretary, IETF > chair and IANA MUST be able to post to IETF mailing lists. > The relevant identity information for these roles will be > added to any white-list mechanism used by an IETF mailing list. > * There MUST be a mechanism to complain that a message was > inappropriately blocked. > > The realization of these principles is expected to change over time. > List moderators, working group chairs and area directors are > expected to interpret these principles reasonably and within > the context of IETF policy and philosophy. > > This supercedes a previous IESG statement on this topic: > http://www.ietf.org/IESG/STATEMENTS/mail-submit-policy.txt > That statement contains justification and implementation > advice that may be helpful to anyone applying these principles. > > A separate IESG statement applies to moderation of IETF mailing lists: > http://www.ietf.org/IESG/STATEMENTS/moderated-lists.txt > > _______________________________________________ > IETF mailing list > IETF@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf