On Mar 9, 2008, at 10:56 PM, Ted Hardie wrote: > > I think you and Tim (and potentially other ADs in areas that have > review > teams) are missing an opportunity here. Over time, these review > teams > have been grown to the point where they do their reviews at Last Call > or before. That's a very good thing. One of the reasons it *could* > be a good thing > is to foster a culture of general cross area review. If the Last > Call reviews by > SAAG, Transport, Applications, and so on were seen as positive > activities of the > areas, they could help encourage even earlier cross area review, > either by > those teams or the areas as a whole. Since that is one of the main > selling > points of the IETF, that would be, let us say, nice. > > To make that happen, though, you'd have to see them as your areas > feeding > Last Call comments into the general Last Call commentary stream. > Those > are resolved by the shepherds and the area advisor, not by the > area directors > for the areas. The way you're doing it now treats these reviews > differently, > as advice to the area director of a relevant area, to be resolved > differently. > In other words, it continues to make the individual IESG folks the > focus of the > activity. That limits the benefits this review can provide, pretty > much, to > the benefit the IESG can absorb. If the IESG isn't doing the early > review, > the review teams don't either. > > To put this another way, having vibrant, active review teams for an > area > could be an area of leadership. Right now, it looks like they are > being used > soley as time-management aids for the ADs instead. That's a real > opportunity > missed. > Ted > Ted, There is no intention to treat Last Call comments from individuals differently than those that come from a review team. ADs *do* submit the same type of procedural discuss to ensure a response to Last Call comments that *weren't* generated by a review team. I'll agree that such discusses are more commonly associated with Last Call comments from review teams. That shouldn't be surprising. For many documents, the only cross area reviews come from the review teams. However, I also expect that Last Call comments that *weren't* generated by a review team are more likely to fall through the cracks. I know that I am more sensitive to the security directorate reviews than Gen-ART reviews or other Last Call comments. In addition to being assigned more or less on my behalf, they are focused on issues near and dear to my heart. I try to read all the Last Call comments, but when reviews focus on issues I don't understand or don't find compelling, I move on. In that case, I will not notice that a response did not occur. I suspect that other ADs suffer from similar human foibles. Thanks, Tim Polk _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf