> Is there an unwritten requirement that IETFs are placed to afford > us sightseeing? Maybe we should add a pointer to the local "things to see and do in Ireland" page to the Meetings page. As an engineer, I would very much encourage people to stay an extra day and tour NewGrange. Imagine the engineering challenge. One day, some guy walks into a valley with a few rolling hills in it: http://picasaweb.google.com/FredBakerSBA/ SaintPatrickSDayInIreland/photo#5141698100648551458 He decides that there just really needs to be a passage tomb in which light shines on the magic spot for 17 minutes on the winter equinox and maybe the day before and after. He then proceeds to build a hill, by mounding rocks in corbel construction (which is one way that cathedral builders build arches, the other common one being keystone construction), covering it with dirt, and decorating it with other rocks brought from a site 80 km away. http://picasaweb.google.com/FredBakerSBA/ SaintPatrickSDayInIreland/photo#5141698147893191794 So, no problem. there is no such thing as an engineering drawing. But he explains to his son (who 20 years later explains to his son, who 20 years later explains to his son, who 20 years later explains to his son, who 20 years later explains to his son) what he wants built, and ends with the punchline "when all is said and done, the light stops here". The community walks 80 km to get rocks, carries baskets of dirt, and even picks up small things like the notion of putting gravel between the layers of rock to prevent them from grinding each other to sand. The result of his effort is a passage tomb that survives to this day, 5000 years later. I think the engineering is fascinating... More pictures at http://picasaweb.google.com/FredBakerSBA/SaintPatrickSDayInIreland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrange http://www.dublinbus.ie/sightseeing/index.aspx http://www.irelandby.com/sightseeing/sightseeing_dublin.htm _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf