Russ, I was specifically not commenting on the contents of this ID (I will soon) but on the process being followed I see no justification of issuing an IETF Last Call on a ID that is designed to modify our core process document where the document has gotten so little discussion or indication of support John's suggestion of a plenary discussion may be a reasonable path but I do not think that using the IETF Last Call process to ferment discussion is all that good a way to proceed (this is what I was calling flippent) Scott _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf