--On Monday, 21 January, 2008 16:50 -0500 "Scott O. Bradner" <sob@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > sorry - it does not make any sense at all to last call this > document > > it has had no meaningful discussion - we should not be > updating our core process documents this flippantly FWIW, while I don't see anything flippant in either the author's intentions or in the Last Call announcement, I have to agree with Scott. Only a couple of people commented on this prior to the Last Call announcement. I fear that confirms my hypothesis that the community has gotten burned out on process work and that it is going to be very hard to get meaningful consensus on changes across the community (rather than among those who get excited about process issues). Even ignoring the issue of how meaningful consensus is to be determined, my recollection is that some of the few comments pointed out problems and suggested changes which the author agreed to make. That would suggest that we should at least see a revision (to -03) that reflects the author's latest thinking before a Last Call is announced. Significant changes to 2026 --even changes that the author believes are just updates to reflect current practice-- are important enough to justify, e.g., a plenary presentation and discussion in Philadelphia. We've got too much experience making changes to process documents that seemed reasonable, did not get careful and extensive review, and that turned out to have significant unintended consequences. A conclusion that the document isn't important enough to justify plenary discussion or the equivalent is, for me, a conclusion that we don't need it right now. john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf