On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 05:36:17AM +0000, Greg Skinner wrote: > FWIW, I reread Russ Housley's comments on the outage, and understand > it to be an experiment that is voluntary (but encouraged). Perhaps > this needs to be stated differently (e.g. "IPv6 experiment planned for > IETF71 Plenary"). I think the real issue here is the difference between what was originally stated (I think first by Marshall Rose in the Open Book) as the difference between the ISO, promulgating OSI, and the IETF, promulgating TCP/IP --- which was that ISO was populated primarily by professional standard organization "goers", where as the IETF was populated primarily by engineers, or "doers". To the extent that you have developers who are actually helping to write code and develop reference implementations for the protocol specifications that one is helping to write, it is probably much more likely that that population is willing to hack their laptop to run IPv6 --- even if they have a locked-down laptop issued by the IT department (which very few engineers I know are willing to countenance, and will generally tend to work around one way or another), they can probably use VMware to run a sandbox environment which they *can* use to experiment. Note that this has *nothing* to do with whether the engineer uses Linux or Windows or NetBSD or MacOS as their primary laptop OS. On the other hand, if you have professional standards body attendees, who are perhaps technical enough to talk about a standard, but not enough to actually implement it, and whose primary expertise is in politics and the policies and procedures of each particular standards organization (so they know how to pack a working group or national body with representatives that will vote they want) --- they will tend to view their Windows laptop as a production environment as a sealed box, not to be touched, and only useful for e-mail, powerpoint, and microsoft word, it is much less likely they will be willing (or even able) to participate in such an experiment. Over the years, I suspect the ratio of goers vs. doers has been increasing; but I hope there are enough doers still attending the IETF to justify the "Engineering" in the title of the organization. - Ted _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf