Very few patents are on the light bulb. Most are on better filaments. This highlights one reason why the system encourages people to patent stuff. If I want to market foo, which is an improvement on bar, then the owner of the patent on bar hopefully wants access to my improvement foo, which entices them to cross-license. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dambier [mailto:peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:39 PM To: ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Patents can be for good, not only evil There are 2 people who own every right on computers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Babbage and programming http://www.agnesscott.edu/Lriddle/women/love.htm All patents therafter are infringements of the work of these two people. Well even those two people built on the work of other people. Kind regards Peter and Karin Dambier Steven M. Bellovin wrote: > On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:02:10 -0700 > "Lawrence Rosen" <lrosen@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > >>Eric Burger wrote: >> >>>I specifically applied for patents underlying the technology behind >>>RFC 4722/RFC 5022 and RFC 4730 specifically to prevent third parties, >>>who are not part of the IETF process, from extracting royalties from >>>someone who implements MSCML or KPML. >> >>That was a waste of your time and money. Publication of those >>inventions by you, at zero cost to you and others, would have been >>sufficient to prevent someone else from trying to patent them. Next >>time, get good advice from a patent lawyer on how to achieve your >>goals without paying for a patent. >> > > > You're obviously right in theory on this point. I wonder whether > you're right in practice. We've all seen far too many really bad > patents issued, ones where prior art is legion. The (U.S.) patent > office seems to do a far better job of searching its own databases > than it does the technical literature. > > I know there are many philosophical reasons why many people oppose > software patents. But for others, there are very practical reasons: > there are too many bad patents issued. I think we can all agree that > stopping bad patents is a worthwhile goal, even if for some it's just > an intermediate goal. > > > --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf -- Peter and Karin Dambier Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana Rimbacher Strasse 16 D-69509 Moerlenbach-Bonsweiher +49(6209)795-816 (Telekom) +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) mail: peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mail: peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://iason.site.voila.fr/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/ http://www.cesidianroot.com/ _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, may contain information of BEA Systems, Inc., its subsidiaries and affiliated entities, that may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted and/or legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named in this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please immediately return this by email and then delete it. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf