Hi, My reading of this thread of comments is that there is no reason to change anything regarding the document. I will therefore progress this document towards approval. Regards Magnus Westerlund Brian E Carpenter skrev: > On 2007-10-05 05:38, ken carlberg wrote: >> >>> I don't recall when was the last (Diffserv-based) QoS talk at NANOG >>> or similar operator-rich meeting. (Sure, there is the tutorial, but >>> it doesn't count.) >> >> I would be concerned if outside groups spent time arguing "foo" is >> bad, or if they advocated other positions to the same issue. But I >> tend to feel quite uncomfortable with litmus tests based on inactivity >> of other groups/people. My personal view is that advocates of that >> line of reasoning place a bigger burden on themselves in providing >> specific in-depth arguments. >> >>> Seems like a potential indication that most typical ISPs aren't >>> working on or interested in this, this stuff is so trivial, or that >>> coordination is not necessary. >> >> i appreciate work that is trivial because its generally simple, easy >> to accomplish, and leads to fewer interoperability issues. as for >> ISPs, its fascinating the disparity of how quiet and talkative they >> are depending on what side of the NDA you are on :-) > > In any case, if Pekka is correct, that's *exactly* why this > draft and RFC 4594 are needed - to lay a minimum foundation on which > ISPs can build operational practices and SLAs. > > It's always been clear to me that voice and video would be the main > drivers for uptake of diffserv, and Marshall's comments confirm > that. As that type of traffic grows, ISPs won't have any choice. > Guidnace from the IETF seems entirely appropriate. > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > -- Magnus Westerlund IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM/M ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@xxxxxxxxxxxx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf