>>>>> "Stephane" == Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@xxxxxx> writes: Stephane> But suggesting ORNS (Open Recursive Name Servers) for Stephane> the solution to this issue is, indeed, a bad idea (do Stephane> note I did not say the N word), for the reasons Stephane> explained in draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-04.txt Stephane> (reflections attack). Hmm. All I get is that suggesting open recursive nameservers has the harm that it creates reflection attacks. The current text of section 4 to me says that you SHOULD NOT offer recursive name service by default and the generic recommendation is that you should not offer recursive name service to other clients than those you need. However if I've evaluated the harm caused by the attack, evaluated the costs of other solutions and concluded that the best tradeoff is running an open recursive nameserver, I can do so. That seems like a balanced and reasonable approach. If you intend the draft to same something else, you have some work to do. Stephane> There are other solutions to this issue and lists have Stephane> already been given in this thread *and* in the I-D we Stephane> discuss. These solutions are TSIG, local caching Stephane> resolvers and VPN. May be there is an editorial problem Stephane> if they are not well explained but the I-D does Stephane> completely cover the issue of romaing users. People have explained why the cost/benefit tradeoff may not favor these solutions. tsig is not realistic in the current software implementation space; it has promise for the future. VPN is very complicated and probably not worth it if all you want is more reliable nameservice. (I do understand the man-in-the-middle and transparent proxy issues). Caching resolvers are problematic for deployment complexity reasons . _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf