--On Wednesday, 22 August, 2007 21:39 +0200 Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >... > Unfortunately, the most innovative people around these days > are the spammers and fishers, so these days, when we come up > with new protocols, we need to specifically allow everything > that's good so implementations/users can reject everything > else. I.e., a new mail protocol will have to address things > like forwarding and mailinglists explicitly. I trust you understand that "anything not explicitly permitted is prohibited" is equivalent to "there will be no innovation from this point forward except by breaking the rules". Not a network environment I want to live in. YMMD. Marginal and criminal elements are _always_ the most innovative people around if there is profit in stretching the boundaries of the rules. In normal environments, the consequences of those innovations are limited by effective legislation that criminalizes sufficiently bad behavior and by enforcement and punishment structures that create significant negative incentives for that behavior. Consider what would happen if there were no societal consensus that breaking into houses and stealing things was a bad thing and if the only laws permitted a given burglar to break into any given house once, requiring only that he leave a note with an address for notifications that he wasn't permitted to do it a second time. Such a system would encourage house occupants to make significant investments in repelling initial break-ins and in an arms race between them and the burglar population about break-in technologies. Every time the home occupant built the fence a half-meter higher and that appeared to have an effect, the burglars would obtain ladders a meter longer. If the occupant decided to electrify the fences, the burglars would obtain insulators and mechanisms to short the fences out. It would also encourage any burglar who wanted to expand her business to create ways of hiding or changing identities so that the prohibition on second and subsequent break-ins after notification would not apply or be unenforceable. Bingo! >From that perspective, the real question here is how bad things have to get before society decides to effectively criminalize the behavior. Technical measures that temporarily make things a little less bad for some populations are the equivalent of the half-meter increase in fence height and mostly serve to make the bad guys more sophisticated, to reduce general quality of life, and to give legislators and regulators excuses to continue to delay action. john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf