Re: on the value of "running code" (was Re: Do you want to have more meetings outside US ?)

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On Aug 3, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:

My point was about the failure to make sure there was large-scale, multi-vendor, in-the-wild *service*. Anything that constraint [in] what can go
wrong will limit the ability to make the technology robust and usable.

There are currently millions of unconstrained large-scale, in-the- wild services being manipulated and controlled by criminals. Constraints that must be taken seriously are related to the economies limiting the staging of DDoS attacks. Criminals often utilize tens of thousands of 0wned systems. These systems often send large email campaigns. Any scheme that expects receipt of a message to invoke a process that initiates additional traffic must be carefully considered.

Expecting recipients to employ the local-part of a purported originator's email-address to then construct dozens or even hundreds of DNS transactions wholly unrelated to the actual source of the message is a prime example of how economies related to DDoS attacks are being gravely shifted in the wrong direction.

Spammer are already spamming, either directly or through an ISP's outbound server. Lacking a reasonable constraint on the recipient process, criminals can attack without expending their resources and not expose the location of their systems. Using SPF/Sender-ID as an example, just one DNS resource record is able to source an attack comprised of millions of recipient generated DNS transactions. The lack of receipt process constraint in this case is an example of either negligence or incompetence. Here an attack may employ several levels of indirection and yet nothing germane to the attack will be found within email logs.

Not imposing reasonable constraints does not make the Internet either more robust or usable.

-Doug

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