Re: Beggars _can_ be choosers?

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I seem to remember that the idea of a postmortem was discussed at some point. I don't know that anything came of that discussion. Having some facts and data to examine probably beats anecdotal observations about network behavior.

I think David is wise to observe that experience like "DHCP doesn't work" doesn't always carry over to "we need to fix DHCP". Failure of one protocol service may just be a symptom of some other failure. And failure of a DHCP service request is likely to be an immediately and easily observable symptom of some other network failure.

- Ralph

On Aug 1, 2007, at Aug 1, 2007,12:12 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:

David W. Hankins wrote:

as recently as the IETF 69 tech plenary,
where we were told that firewalls were becoming obsolete, evidenced by
their lack of use at IETF meetings.

There's only one word for it:  Astounding.

Told by whom? I was one of the people at the the microphone. I work for a firewall vendor, and I asked a question (probably rhetorical) of the IAB.

I have never, until now, heard the contrary fallacy attempted.  That
is, "because we did X at an IETF meeting and it did not work
allright, it is therefore insufficient for the Internet."

That's a new one on me.

Clever, but wrong: networks much larger than 1,200 laptops use DHCPv4
on a daily basis all over the Internet without similar symptoms.

Start by asking the contractor, the volunteers and the IAD for a
postmortem on the operation of the network. anything else is just
speculation.



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