--On Sunday, 29 July, 2007 16:04 +0100 Stewart Bryant <stbryant@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Do we have any firm evidence that we would get more work > done if we had more meetings outside the US? As far as I know, we do not. We also have no firm evidence that, despite the claim in Jordi's note, total costs of operating a meeting, measured as Hotel and travel expenses for secretariat staff + Direct meeting costs (rooms, cookies, AV, network) + The registration fee + Attendee costs for hotels + Total attendee travel and meal costs The first two of these must be calculated in current US dollars regardless of the location of the meeting because IASA does business in dollars. And the others need to be adjusted for the local (home) currencies of the attendees ("inexpensive place" may not be so inexpensive if exchange rates are poor for a significant number of attendees). In addition, one must consider the odds of meetings being disrupted by either poor network infrastructure that we need to deal with or the risk of long-haul connections being sporadic. ICANN may be able to live with outages in long-haul connections of several hours duration, but I don't think we can. I'm actually a strong advocate of non-US meetings, especially when I see key people prevented from attending by seemingly-arbitrary delays in approving visas that stretch past the meeting's starting date. But I am also tired of regular speeches about either going to places where we don't have significant participation locally or about claimed advantages of non-US meetings that I believe are dubious. And, FWIW, I believe that we are already suffering from too-high total costs to attendees. Getting a good room rate on a super-deluxe hotel is wonderful, but, if that hotel comes with super-deluxe prices for, e.g., breakfast and beer, it really doesn't help us: to take a recent example, knowing that cheap beer is a few blocks away doesn't create an obvious location for bar-bofs. john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf