I certainly do not need to work out how to persuade my Checkpoint client to talk to my corporate VPN via IPv6 in order to contribute to KEYPROV, DKIM or any of the other WGs I will be attending. The application is miserable enough at the best of times without additional issues. And since the policy configuration is verified by the gateway I cannot change the policy unilateraly. The point about eating dog food is not to order the salespeople to eat the dog food or else. If the salespeople refuse to eat the dog food you are meant to go back and fix it. The approach being suggested here is to tell the salespeople to eat it and like it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Moore [mailto:moore@xxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 3:56 PM > To: Clint Chaplin > Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: chicago IETF IPv6 connectivity > > Clint Chaplin wrote: > > I've been watching this debate for a while, and all the previous > > debates every time this subject comes up. > > > > IETF is no longer a single subject group. Very few > participants are > > up to date with everything that IETF is working on, and many newer > > participants are participating in what I would characterize > as "edge" > > areas: capwap, manet, and the like. > > > > I suspect (and I fall into this category) that many of these newer > > participants are not IP wizards; they're here to do work in other > > areas. Requiring them to participate in testing a new > infrastructure > > that they are not familiar with would be counterproductive > to getting > > their work done. > there is NOBODY working in IETF for whom familiarity with IP, > including IPv6, is not essential. > whether they realize this is a different question. but you > cannot do competent work in IETF without a basic > understanding of the TCP/IP protocol stack. > > Keith > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf