>> from a security point the thing to do is for everyone to >> disconnect from the Internet and go back to stone knives and >> bear skins. >> > > That does not work. The Internet has driven a coach and horses through the assumptions that underly the financial services infrastructure even if the bank never connects to the net. > well, the point is that you can't consider security in isolation. you need to consider it in light of what you're trying to do. and the network is (by design) very flexible, so it gets used to do lots of different kinds of things, and these things vary from one user/customer/network to another. >> in other words, you want to effectively cripple residential >> users to only running applications that are supported by big >> media companies, and hamper the development of new >> applications on the internet. >> > > Oh so I am the one who is peddling FUD eh? The above pretty much looks like FUD to me. > you were the one trying to cripple residential users. Keith _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf