On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, John C Klensin wrote: > > Hmm. Since a few providers, at least one of them quite large, > have already imposed "find an MUA that supports authentication > or go elsewhere" requirements without being driven out of the > marketplace or even suffering any noticeable pain, I didn't > consider the requirement to be unachievable, unrealistic, or a > fantasy. YMMD, of course. I run a university email system not a free webmail service, so I have to be rather more accommodating. Still, although all routes in to our main email service (Hermes) are encrypted and authenticated, we still have a trad smarthost which is mainly used by departmental MTAs but also by MUAs when smtp.hermes is not appropriate (e.g. visitors who don't have a Hermes account). Tony. -- f.a.n.finch <dot@xxxxxxxx> http://dotat.at/ ROCKALL: NORTHERLY 4 OR 5, OCCASIONALLY 6 AT FIRST. MODERATE OR ROUGH. SHOWERS. GOOD. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf