Spencer Dawkins wrote: > - what we tell the WG chairs is that ADs have the power to make a decision > for the working group, in order to break a deadlock. Jeff Schiller (one of > the ADs who did the WG chair training for several years) was very clear > that an AD can say, "if you guys don't make a decision by date X, I'll make > a decision for you". If this is not part of the community understanding, > someone should be telling the WG chairs and ADs what the community > understanding is. Yep, I did this... However, the devil is always in the details, and the details matter. On two occasions I stepped in to force a working group (two different working groups) to make progress. In one case I asked if a document was "good enough" and their was weak consensus, but not strong consensus. However the disagreement appeared to be over wording, not protocol. So I asked if the document was "good enough" if the alternative was WG shutdown. Suddenly the consensus was a lot stronger :-) I won't embarrass the WG by saying which one it was... you know who you are! But the more serious case involved IPSEC. The situation was thus: ~20 people for one proposal. ~20 people for a different proposal ~150 people for "someone please decide so we can go off and implement!" So I read the consensus as "We want this solved." I then asked the authors of the two proposals if they could come to consensus by September 1, 1996 (this was in March of 1996). They said they would try. On August 29th I received a phone call telling me that they tried, but could not agree. So I decided. I chose one of the proposals and wrote up my decision and sent it to the WG list. I outlined my decision criteria, and how I viewed each proposal against the criteria, finally offering to publish the "losing" proposal as informational documents. My one regret is that I didn't publish my decision as an RFC. Just didn't think about it. I may dig it out of my e-mail archives and publish it at some point (with some additional historic background) as a historical RFC. The more time I get to refer to it, the more it makes sense to publish it. I will note that I don't believe I consulted with the WG chairs before my presentation, but my memory may be off (this was 11 years ago). However I do know that I had a very good working relationship with the chairs so perhaps this consultation was implicit. Certainly I do not believe that an AD should "surprise' a WG chair in this fashion! But like I said, the devil is in the details. Why did I get away with it? Well here are some facts: o There was strong consensus that a decision needed to be made. Shutting down the WG and walking away was not considered an acceptable outcome. o I was viewed as being an honest broker. I wasn't aligned with one or the other proposal. o I was viewed as having the statue in the community to make such a decision. If not by de jure power, by personal power and influence. o I documented my decision and how it was arrived at. Was everyone happy in the end? Of course not. Part of the nature of leadership is occasionally having to make the "hard" decisions. And by definition, hard decisions are the ones that leave some people unhappy. But I believe it was the right thing to do at the time and perhaps history is showing the wisdom of the decision (or at least of making a decision instead of allowing deadlock to continue). As a side note. I find it a depressing trend in the IETF that we want our leadership to be "process automatons" dancing to a predetermined script. Only acting when there is a clear process to follow. I do not believe any group can be successful following such a course. I believe we need to choose leaders and then let them lead. We expect the IESG to be both technical leaders and process leaders. That is one tough role to fill. So they will never by perfect. However we should permit them to lead. If they abuse their power, then replace them, but don't remove the authority to make decisions and to truly lead from the positions themselves. -Jeff -- ======================================================================== Jeffrey I. Schiller MIT Network Manager Information Services and Technology Massachusetts Institute of Technology 77 Massachusetts Avenue Room W92-190 Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 617.253.0161 - Voice jis@xxxxxxx ========================================================================
Attachment:
pgp9cD5GdRDnO.pgp
Description: PGP signature
_______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf