--On Wednesday, 07 March, 2007 09:55 +0000 michael.dillon@xxxxxx wrote: >... > Also, even though there are only 3 years supply left in IANA, > to date none of the RIRs have changed their allocation policies > to deal with wind-down of IPv4 space or scarcity. Certainly > in some regions, there is the expectation that IPv6 will fill > the gap since it has been proven with consumer and enterprise > customers for the past year or two. > > As the wind-down of the IPv4 address space gets more public > coverage, and more larcenous providers charge exorbitant fees > for free addresses, I expect to see a rising public demand > for IPv6. Note that this implies that we have less than 2 > years to get a solid IPv6 SOHO gateway requirements document > out. Regardless of what the dates are (I believe that specific estimates in terms of years are interesting but ultimately silly because (i) there is every reason to expect a run on remaining addresses at some point, whether induced by "public coverage", "larcenous providers", ISP or RIR anxieties, or something else. There are no good models for predicting timing of the onset of that stampede, nor its precise behavior, even if it is clear to many of us that it is inevitable in the IPv4 address space end-game if current trends and policies continue. (ii) it is reasonable to expect that by the time such a stampede gets serious (or somewhat before that), the RIRs and possibly ICANN will try to change policies to damp it. Since no one has make public announcements about their contingency plans, or even asserted that they have them in place, it is not possible to predict how effective any such remedies will be in damping the stampede effects or even if the organizations involved will actually be able to do anything before it is too late. (iii) it is possible to imagine a number of scenarios that could start freeing up some of the space that is hidden in some legacy Class As (and even some legacy Class Bs). Some of those would have a positive effect on address space availability, others would just encourage the stampede effect. As Tony has pointed out, it is unlikely that they would make much difference to the actual rate of address exhaustion, but they could contribute to, or slightly damp, the tendency toward hysteria. And there is no way to predict which one, much less how much. As I have also suggested earlier, a different way of figuring out when we have run out of IPv4 space is not to look at when the last address block is allocated but at when the perception or claim of scarcity begins to justify bad behavior (in pricing, protocol design, etc.). By that criterion, we ran out several years ago and can stop having that particular part of the discussion. But the bottom line, IMO, is that sooner or later, people will perceive that it may be hard to get the address block after the next one they ask for. We can say that day grows closer with each allocation and each month on Tony's chart (or Geoff's chart, or any other plausible chart one likes), but we can't predict when it will come. When it does come -- when a lot of people reach that conclusion -- it is reasonable to predict a catastrophic change in allocation requests and presumably in allocations. Once that occurs, the projections based on models of past behavior are trash and IPv4 space will be in very bad trouble... probably in a matter of months and not years. And that makes the "very little time... if one is going to get started, the time is now, if not sooner" element of both Michael's note and my recent one the important news for the IETF. Or we can leave it to the marketplace (including the larcenous providers and even more larcenous address-hoarders) to sort things out for us. john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf