It is technically possible for the United States and Europe to switch from driving on the wrong side of the road to the left. That does not mean that proposing to do so is anything other than idiotic. What I said was that these proposals amount to distinction without a difference. The switching costs are huge, the end result indistinguishable except to the extent that you have multiplied the number of failure modes drastically. > -----Original Message----- > From: Emin Gun Sirer [mailto:egs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 7:32 PM > To: Stephane Bortzmeyer > Cc: Patrick Vande Walle; ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Something better than DNS? > > Stephane & Phillip, > > I'm thinking of writing a short report that summarizes the > invaluable discussion here and beefing up the system sketch. > I think we now agree that it is possible to have multiple > operators manage names in a single, shared namespace without > recourse to a centralized super-registry. > > >Do you think it fits well in Hallam-Baker, Phillip's > "logical registry" > >model? > > Yes, the registrars together implement a logical registry > without any centralized component. > > > * how does it scale? > > The protocol I sketched was for just two parties; it can be > generalized, but let's take that discussion offline. It's > certainly possible to do it, but something that'll work fast > and with participants that will trigger timeouts might > require quorums, a slightly different approach. > > > * DNS registration is not binding a name to an IP! (See > Edward Lewis' > > good description). It is binding a name to an entity which is often > > fuzzily defined (see whois' output). How do you address this? > > One can use a protocol like that to just serialize the events, i.e. > establish order, regardless of what the events that comprise > a registration are. > > >What you absolutely cannot get away from is a mechanism to > ensure joint > >action. > > True. The question was whether the mechanism necessarily had > a centralized component. > > >the point of the exercies here is to meet the needs of the Internet > >users, not solve cute academic puzzles for the sake of arbitrary > >ideological goals. > > For one, I am totally agnostic on this issue. It's possible > and maybe even practical to delegate a space to multiple > operators without a super-registry, and neither I nor the > workings of CoDoNS care whether we do that or not. > > As an Internet user, I wonder about two things in the long term: > - why is it so expensive to register a name? > - what can we do to keep SiteFinderJr from happening? > > In the short term, I think we have bigger issues to worry about (e.g. > current DNS's vulnerability to denial-of-service attacks). > > Gun. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf