>>>>> "Fred" == Fred Baker <fred@xxxxxxxxx> writes: Fred> The remaining requirements, as I understand them, relate to Fred> more traditional internet applications: the delivery of Fred> email within a stated interval, reliable file transfer at a Fred> stated rate in the presence of imperfect links and competing Fred> traffic deemed by the administration to be of lower Fred> importance, instant messaging, and so on. Fred> What is the argument by which you come to believe that Fred> traditional internet transports and applications that are Fred> standardized in the IETF are properly moved to other Fred> standards bodies? Fred, first I've argued all along that the standardization of IETF protocols belonged in the IETF. As this discussion has moved along, it has become clear that I simply do not understand the work being proposed. That only really hit me with this message, although I've had a growing suspician that I'm failing to understand the charter for about a week. I really appreciate your efforts to show me that. I'd like to work with you and the chairs to help understand what ieprep proposes to do. I'm likely to claim at the end of that discussion that the current charter's scope is unclear and to try and propose more clear text. I still do have major reservations about ieprep. Perhaps some of those will go away as we discuss what the group is doing. For IESG process reasons, I need to enter a position tonight or tomorrow that is a superset of any formal objection I will have. I can remove objections though and will be happy to work with you to do that. I appreciate your continued help in understanding this issue. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf