For the record, I'm personally against rescinding 3683 at this time. I will note that the one actually setting up the PR-ACTION was quite disruptive (and I haven't been on the IESG so I haven't felt their pain, I know), once the PR-ACTION *has* been set up, the amount of effort to deal with someone who has been engaging in abusive posting on the IETF list is requires less time than going through the process of multiple suspensions, each of which has the pontential of triggering a complaint to the IAB. Is the tradeoff worth it? Well, with the knowledge that I am probably baised (and I am disclosing that bias, as it's less work for *me* :-), I'd say yes..... - Ted P.S. Given the number of e-mails that I get from folks saying, "Why haven't you taken action **sooner**?", hopefully people will realize that the current IETF seargeant-at-arms have been very conscious about wanting to err on the side of allowing more noise, rather than going overboard with squelching dissent on the IETF list. The reality, though, is that most of the work is caused by a very small number of individuals, so it may very well be worth the effort to go through the pain of getting a 3683 PR-ACTION pased once, as opposed to amortizing it over many mailing lists and multiple incidents. But, that's just my opinion. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf