On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 06:04:55PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > Folks, we've received very little feedback on this document. I'd like > to see more discussion--so if you have reviewed this document please > drop the iesg or ietf lists a quick note; perhaps you can even tell us > what you think. > I like the obvious effect which is intended by draft-carpenter-rescind-3683-01.txt, but I think the text could be better worded and the way it goes about what it is trying to do could be better. In particular: Suspensions longer than one month have been found to be necessary, so [RFC3934] shall not be interpreted to prevent the Area Director, with the approval of the IESG, from authorizing posting rights suspensions of increasing length upon the request of a Working Group Chair, i.e., the Area Director's power under [RFC2418] section 3.2 is reinstated at the time of approval of this document. RFC 3934 shall not be __interpreted__? Let's look at the relevant wording of RFC 3934, section 2: As a last resort and typically after one or more explicit warnings and consultation with the responsible Area Director, the WG chair may suspend the mailing list posting privileges of the disruptive individual for a period of not more than 30 days. It's very hard to interpret away something as explicit as "not more than 30 days". Using cute language such as "shall not be interpreted" is just an invitation for net.lawyers to waste more time of the IESG and IAB in arguments and appeals. I would suggest having draft-carpenter-rescined-3683 also obsolete RFC 3934; it's not that long, so including the two paragraphs from RFC 3934 and then modifying them is probably going to be better than trying to have one RFC try to impose an interpretation which is counter to the "plain english" language of "not more then 30 days" and trying to claim that "not more than 30 days" shouldn't be interpreated as "not more than 30 days". Let's not do the "Words mean whatever I want them to mean" trick.... - Ted _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf